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April 28th, 2008, 04:08 PM
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| |  IMPORTANT Notice About Defamation and Legal Letters I Get Often
Guys, I have received yet another legal letter from an Obstetrician who is claiming defamation based on some posts by members on BB. I know it sucks bigtime, badly and I hate it, but we can not post anything on BB that may result in the loss of clients going to someone. If they may lose money (makes the world go around doesn't it) then they can claim damages.
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE do not name a doctor/midwife/other if you are unhappy with something - yes its frustrating as, but I think what we should be doing is giving more attention to those who are brilliant at what they do and giving them lots of positive exposure on BB, then those who don't treat women well will get no mention. Reverse psychology. Or you could PM someone to share your experience - just don't post it!
So please be sure NOT to post any names if you have negative feedback and if you see this happening anywhere, PLEASE report it so a mod can remove the names. I really appreciate you helping with this, as responding to legal letters is one less thing I want/have time to do. Even if I don't write it, BB will get sued as BB is the publisher.
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April 28th, 2008, 04:41 PM
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gggrrrr that's so annoying - what a stupid sooky la-la.
Maybe instead of running off to his lawyer to get it all kissed better he should suck it up and try and improve.
Just a question?
Can a member post saying please PM me for more info about this ob that I can't discuss on the boards so that other members are alerted that there is more to the story without the poster having to stalk the relevant thread for new posts.
If only most forums weren't run by people who don't have the resources for a full court case because I'd love to see a forum win one of these cases so they all bugger off.
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April 28th, 2008, 04:50 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dachlostar 
If only most forums weren't run by people who don't have the resources for a full court case because I'd love to see a forum win one of these cases so they all bugger off.
| i so agree with this Chloe - it's become the social norm to "sue" if you're not happy with something. freedom of speech, freedom of expression - hell, the opportunity to share honest opinions - has all been stifled by the litigious society in which we live
it's disappointing that you can't share relevant feedback with others so that they might learn from your experiences - a bunch of warm and fuzzy's don't do people justice at all - and the "professionals" need to learn that forums like BB might have one or two people say something negative, but ten say something positive to counterbalance that negativity and actually help them out!
Kel, i'm sure everyone will take this on board - none of us want to see you caught up in a legal battle with everything else you have going on at the moment...
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April 28th, 2008, 04:55 PM
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I think negative info is a great way to improve - if you only ever get good feedback then how on earth can you find out what people really think? Too bad... those who are great will only get better. It's just stupid, everytime I get legal letter there has never even been a response online to confirm/deny... just straight to the lawyers and we all know how much money these Obs have to burn (I only get letters on behalf of Obs, not being biased). With this recent one, I have even been asked to write a formal apology for the hurt and loss I have caused... even though I didn't write it  |
April 28th, 2008, 05:49 PM
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Geez. Perhaps this person would do well to reflect on the "hurt and loss" that prompted the person to post negative comments about them in the first place. 
I think it's a shame that women can't share their experiences here, particularly since it is very difficult to get a good idea of what a careprovider is really about before it's too late to change 
They still have a long way to go when it comes to realising that we are the consumers our needs should drive the service...not the other way around.
It will change...eventually  And the ones who don't change with it will be left for dust.
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April 28th, 2008, 05:51 PM
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What a sook Kel! I can't believe they want a formal apology!
Just goes to show what this OB is like and how he/she wants to seem like they have the "power". I think they need to go and have a snooze in the nursery with all the other babies!
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April 28th, 2008, 06:36 PM
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Will do mate.
How did YOU cause the hurt and loss, because someone else independantly expressed an opinion? Honestly. I wish they would come online and give their point of view, it would totally help with understanding where they are coming from (rising insurance costs, fear of litigation and so on) and they might see our side too.
But obviously if they go straight to the lawyers, they don't care! Hmm.
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April 28th, 2008, 07:24 PM
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Would it be breaching any legal requirements if a notice could be posted along the lines of "information about Dr XXXX has been removed due to threats of legal action"? Not even in the same thread where things were discussed, but perhaps in a separate thread in the same forum area?
I can understand if it's not possible, but choosing a doctor of any type is a difficult process. I received both negative and positive feedback from friends about the doctor we eventually chose to be our fertility specialist. In all honesty, I think the vast majority of it was negative, but it related to things that we didn't necessarily consider to be important. Obviously, our friends hold a different opinion, and there's no way in hell I'd change FS now!
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April 28th, 2008, 07:38 PM
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...And yet, they are more than happy to throw dirt on each other! I recall speaking to my Ob about a well known VBAC advocate Ob (who gets a lot of mention on this site) and was told how "awful" "dangerous" and "ill educated" this Ob was... is that not the same thing? Does this not stop one from ever seeking that Ob's services?
I wonder how they even find out about the post - do they have nothing better to do than google themselves? Or does someone see it on here then report it when they visit them?
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April 28th, 2008, 07:57 PM
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Template apology for you Kelly (you're a busy lady right?) Quote:
Dear Sir/Madam,
Thankyou for the letter you recently paid a third party to send me regarding the words of a fourth party posted on a forum i own, read by a fifth party and reported to you, that you are a crap option for normal consumers and should be avoided. I have alerted my forum users that you suffered a personal and professional booboo from this and in order to kiss it better we all need to suck up our terrible birth experiences/deceased children/loss of fertility and get back in the kitchen. I note i am also instructed to apologise.
I'm so so sorry you are terrible at your job. I'm so sorry your patients have become cash-paying meat to you. I'm sorry your bedside manner makes Jayant Patel seem like a reasonable and friendly guy. I'm sorry you think performing unneccesary major abdominal surgery is a perfectly reasonable response to it looking like you'll be late for golf. I'm sorry you regard yourself as above criticism are feel that litigation is the best way to address your professional shortcomings. I'm sorry you'd rather be rich than good. I'm sorry it took this long for you to see the mirror held up right in front of your face. I am, i'm sorry.
Yours faithfully
Blah blah blah
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April 28th, 2008, 08:03 PM
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hehehe - way cute Bec!
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April 28th, 2008, 08:03 PM
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Now if it really could be sent without BB getting sued.
Honestly the guy is a twat.
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April 28th, 2008, 08:04 PM
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OMG hoobley I just spat my coffee!!! Love your work. 
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April 28th, 2008, 08:07 PM
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April 28th, 2008, 08:07 PM
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LOL omg i nearly wet myself reading that!!!!
what a pity it cant be sent!!!
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April 28th, 2008, 08:46 PM
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20/10 Bec, love it!!!!!!!!!!
(they are probably reading this, but I haven't used names!)
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April 28th, 2008, 08:51 PM
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Oh MG - they find it through two main ways I have noticed (getting experienced by now ) and unfortunately google loves me which is funny because they have no idea what the bigger 3 sites are saying about them that google doesn't go to as often
Anyways:
1 - They google, sign up on the site, pretend to be someone else yet BUSTED! I look at their profile and low and behold its drsmith@bogpond.com
2 - A past patient or 'friend' finds this info and is quite distressed to see such a lovely doctor who they have used and been very happy with - they can't have this happen and to prevent the doctor finding out and take legal action I should take it down or the doctor will find out.
What lucky doctors with such loyal patients and friends looking out for them on the web! Spending all their free time making sure no-one says anything bad about them! Awwwww! Somehow I don't think any BB members are actively trawling the sites out there looking for bad feedback on BB and threatening to sue if those sites dont remove bad comments about BB! Not like I would care anyway :P
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April 28th, 2008, 08:54 PM
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brilliant bec!
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